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Letters to Dan
dan, i agree with your column about the straightedge movement. some of the straightedgers take their philosophy too far and try to force it upon others. beating people up for drinking and smoking is out of line. these straightedgers put themselves on the same level as right to lifers blowing up abortion clinics. so, for that, thumbs up. good job. however, your statements about a vegetarian lifestyle being unhealthy is an uneducated one. i won't belabor this point because i'm sure you will be hearing it from one of your cowriters, but a well balanced vegan diet is the healthiest diet. unfortunately this fact is not widely known. lobbyists from the meat and dairy industry have made sure of this. and very few doctors take adequate courses in nutrition. so, i encourage you to take a few minutes of your time and read up on the vegan lifestyle. it could change your life, as it has mine. thank you for your time and attention. keep up the good work at the shrubbery. Dennis Hartwick
Dan, I understand why you said most of what you did, but in order to have the most intelligient argument you can't be ignorant in your writings. Places like Salt Lake give a lot of straightedger's a bad wrap. You say they (straightedger's) shouldn't tell or force people into doing what "they" think is right. Well it's pretty ignorant of you to categorize all straightedger's in this label. Most straightedger's I know aren't like that, myself, my best friends' Ryan Glowczewski (part of the shrubbery team) and Chad Meadows (my roommate) included. Then you say that straightedger's don't know what it's like, that they only have that one view. Well I'll tell you you couldn't be more wrong kid. A lot, not just some, in fact most of the oldest and forefathers of the movement chose a different path in life and did many drugs in their time and decided that they didn't want to be like that anymore. They became straightedge to get away from the drugs and clean up their life, like religion to some people. After some felt they were strong enough to life life without the straightedge label, they dropped it. Another thing, you stated that straightedger's are against eating meat and whatnot. Another generalization. My roommate Chad, straightedge meateater, could give a f**k or whatever about animals. Just because someone is straightedge doesn't automatically mean they are against eating meat. Sure many straightedgers are vegetarian or vegan (not consuming/utilizing any product with ties to animal abuse or death), but then again many vegetarians/vegans are not straightedge or even close. Though anyway you look at it wearing fur is wrong. In conclusion Angry Dan, I feel your article lacks the maturity you sought to seek out in expressing your opinion and you should really think about all the things you try to convey to others so to sound more intelligient. Or ye be labeled Ignorant! J. Likavec Shrubbery fan email@example.com
Thank you for responding to my column. You are right about the generalization fact; I only did it to provide a concise argument, but I think you missed my main point.
Many Straight Edgers might have previously used drugs and practiced what they now preach against. I understand that fact. But even though they found that it would be better for them to live a clean life, the ones who try to persuade others to follow the same path have no idea whether or not it would be better for someone else to live a clean life. These Straight Edgers have only experienced their own thoughts and feelings unless they have somehow gained the power of telepathy. To judge whether or not a decision is right for someone else is impossible, and that, my dear, is what I was arguing about.
But if, as you say, not all Straight Edgers, including yourself, are like that, then why are you arguing this point?
Im not here to kick Dan's butt, Im agreeing with him..is that allowed? Anyway, I share similiar opinions in that I don't care what people do, as long as it doesn't affect me. But when they start imposing their ideas on everyone else, it's just wrong. These "Straight Edgers" also reminded me of the "Blue Ribbons" in the movie Disturbing Behavior...very interesting. Laura
Ah, a fine use of fiction of a source if i ever saw one. Thanks for the comments.